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kerpall · Mar 16, 2008, 06:23 PM // 18:23

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Obviously you either don't know what reward points are, or you fail to read posts in this thread.

Chaos Gloves would obviously be a Fancy Armor, which takes about 1000 RP's to get those anyway. Then, on top of that, they'd probably cost at the very least 200 RP's for the gloves. All total, if converted to Z Keys, it would be in the range of 750k.

Maybe you should learn to play before bashing ideas lol.

agreed, with the amount of rp it would cost, sacrifising buying z-keys. The gloves alone could easily be worth waay more than in PvE.
I don't understand why all you people can't handle these things in PvP, they are just skins that they want access to. It's not like they get +1,000 bonus damage if they got them, or anything stupid like that.

Phoenix Tears · Mar 16, 2008, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Avoc

If Anet makes the /rank title track linked to the KoaBD title, then perhaps.

QFT

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Limu Tolkki · Mar 17, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

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Originally Posted by Kanyatta

Obviously you either don't know what reward points are, or you fail to read posts in this thread.

Chaos Gloves would obviously be a Fancy Armor, which takes about 1000 RP's to get those anyway. Then, on top of that, they'd probably cost at the very least 200 RP's for the gloves. All total, if converted to Z Keys, it would be in the range of 750k.

Maybe you should learn to play before bashing ideas lol.

Good job, may i ask where the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO did you find these numbers. Definately not from my post.

]SK[ · Mar 17, 2008, 07:34 AM // 07:34

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Originally Posted by Avoc

If Anet makes the /rank title track linked to the KoaBD title, then perhaps.

+1

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FireFox · Mar 17, 2008, 12:22 PM // 12:22

You guys are freaking insane if you think KoaBD is comparable to any form of organized pvp.

Gun Pierson · Mar 17, 2008, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by FireFox

You guys are freaking insane if you think KoaBD is comparable to any form of organized pvp.

PvP is like a teamsport, soccer for example. PvE is like golf, everybody can get the ball in the hole at one point. The question is: how many times did that person need to hit the ball to get it in the hole.

Now pvp players want a pve trophy (aka the gloves) and is it that insane that pve players want a pvp trophy in return?

It's like the soccer team FC barcelona asks Tiger Woods to get one of his trophies and vica versa.

Actually the more I think about it, the more I'm convinced pvp and pve should be completely seperated.

The Way Out · Mar 17, 2008, 01:11 PM // 13:11

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Originally Posted by FireFox

You guys are freaking insane if you think KoaBD is comparable to any form of organized pvp.

Do you have KoaBD? If not, don't knock it. Grinding endless for titles is the same as grinding PvP, except PvP is much more enjoyable (both are mindless). I really don't understand where PvP only players get the idea that it is so difficult compared to PvE. So many of you gimmick build, it isn't that difficult for me to figure out what you are running in a matter of two casts.

For the very rare (innovative PvP player out there).... I know you could care less about the skins.... and you probably are not reading this thread.

When you go in my HoM, you understand that when I commit to something, I do so. When you see my armor and weapon skins, you see a story or timeline behind them. Personally, I think it cheapens the whole idea of skins and having to explore areas to get things.

Lastly, for any PvP player that mentions "epeen" again, make sure to keep "/signed" out of your post. You sound like a hypocrite. I play the game to have the best things I can and to max titles. I get enjoyment out of that. If you want to have what I have, do what I do.

Ctb · Mar 17, 2008, 01:14 PM // 13:14

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You guys are freaking insane if you think KoaBD is comparable to any form of organized pvp.

Which is why you should get no Chaos Gloves.

PvP play is not comparable to PvE play, we have established and agreed upon this fact.

Therefore, PvP rewards and PvE rewards should not be the same.

/still notsigned

Phoenix Tears · Mar 17, 2008, 01:23 PM // 13:23

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Originally Posted by Ctb

Which is why you should get no Chaos Gloves.

PvP play is not comparable to PvE play, we have established and agreed upon this fact.

Therefore, PvP rewards and PvE rewards should not be the same.

/still notsigned

wrong ,we play all the same game, so we should all receive the same awards, regardless for what we have us personally decided to play mostly.

Stop finally ever this stupid comparison with PvP vs. PvE Skill Effort-Shit, it becomes annoying over time, when this is ever the only arguement against any changes, which would make the game for both sides fairer and more fun.

FireFox · Mar 17, 2008, 01:28 PM // 13:28

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Originally Posted by The Way Out

Do you have KoaBD? If not, don't knock it.

so no, pve isn't difficult.

...and to those of you saying chaos glove are a "pve reward" you're kinda totally wrong, this entire arguement is pointless because they've planned to have gwen weapons/armor at tolkano all along. Simply because it's taking some time to get implemented doesn't mean that they are debating it.

The Way Out · Mar 17, 2008, 01:34 PM // 13:34

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

wrong ,we play all the same game, so we should all receive the same awards, regardless for what we have us personally decided to play mostly.

Stop finally ever this stupid comparison with PvP vs. PvE Skill Effort-Shit, it becomes annoying over time, when this is ever the only arguement against any changes, which would make the game for both sides fairer and more fun.

How the hell is having chaos gloves fairer? What isn't fair is that PvP is really shut off for many PvE only characters because of how quick the PvP community is towards shutting out anyone they think is a noob. Anet has catered to the PvP community more than anything. They balance out your skills and trash the PvE community. They give you a Zaishen chest, because you want skins. They give you obi armor, because you want that also. Every update seems to be around PvP and how they can better meet your needs.

PVP players have the same opportunity that we have towards getting all of these items. PvE players are very affected by drops rates and random generators when it comes to gold, ecto, shards, or anything else. We have to farm different areas... pay to get into some of them, and grind away. PvP players roll a max character, get a team together, and do what they normally do every day to get these rare items. It takes away from the rarity or special nature of the items. And it rewards PvP players for doing the same thing they do anyway. There are no reqs for them to get items other than rps.... that is nonsense.

Now that I think of it, bring in emotes for the Kurzick and Luxon title tracks... you want to make it fair... make it fully fair...

The average PvE player will never have the opportunity to earn rank or fame because of the nature of the PvP community.

Gun Pierson · Mar 17, 2008, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Tears

wrong ,we play all the same game, so we should all receive the same awards, regardless for what we have us personally decided to play mostly.

Wrong, we play a different game in the game, but we share the same name: Guild Wars.

Soccer and golf are both ballgames, but that's where the similarity ends. The rewards and trophies are different.

I do agree with you on the point that comparing of effort etc. is useless, hence the rewards and trophies should stay different.

The Way Out · Mar 17, 2008, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by FireFox

so no, pve isn't difficult.

...and to those of you saying chaos glove are a "pve reward" you're kinda totally wrong, this entire arguement is pointless because they've planned to have gwen weapons/armor at tolkano all along. Simply because it's taking some time to get implemented doesn't mean that they are debating it.

You forgot to leave my whole post there. I went on to speak about much more. Kind of selfish to leave only that line in there...? I see you don't reference how grind in PvE and PvP is the same (minus the human interaction on the PvP end)...

Last, I never said PvE is difficult (it isn't once you "get it"). PvE is time-consuming... that is all. PvP isn't difficult either... just keeping up with team changes is.

Talarian · Mar 17, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

I have a challenge for all the PvP players who keep harping on about how easy PvE is:

Pretend Factions, NF, and EotN never existed. So no heroes, and only a limited skill set. You can't flag your henchmen anymore, because that update came with NF. You can't use inscribable weapons, because again, that came with NF. Obviously, you have to use a core profession. Now go try vanquish Diessa Lowlands with Alesia as your only healer. THAT is not easy. Anyone who says it is, do it and post screenies please.

FireFox · Mar 17, 2008, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Talarian

I have a challenge for all the PvP players who keep harping on about how easy PvE is:

Pretend Factions, NF, and EotN never existed. So no heroes, and only a limited skill set. You can't flag your henchmen anymore, because that update came with NF. You can't use inscribable weapons, because again, that came with NF. Obviously, you have to use a core profession. Now go try vanquish Diessa Lowlands with Alesia as your only healer. THAT is not easy. Anyone who says it is, do it and post screenies please.

Hard Mode didn't exist either by the way, and I still pve'd back then as well.

Talarian · Mar 17, 2008, 02:37 PM // 14:37

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Originally Posted by FireFox

Hard Mode didn't exist either by the way, and I still pve'd back then as well.

I never said HM existed back then...I was just presenting a challenge, like winning 10 consecutive games in TA or getting a flawless victory in HoH. It's what some people do to make PvE fun and challenging...

Pyro maniac · Mar 17, 2008, 02:43 PM // 14:43

/signed, still haven't seen one good reason against.

Best reason against I've seen:
I fail at PvP, therefore there should be PvE only rewards.

@The Way Out: PvP community isn't stubborn, just learn to play.

Darkobra · Mar 17, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

still haven't seen one good reason against.

I didn't realise you were the judge and jury for ArenaNet. Learn to think for yourself.

The Way Out · Mar 17, 2008, 03:16 PM // 15:16

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

/signed, still haven't seen one good reason against.

Best reason against I've seen:
I fail at PvP, therefore there should be PvE only rewards.

@The Way Out: PvP community isn't stubborn, just learn to play.

I PvP... remember that. A new player that goes to HA and wants to learn how to HA cannot get into a group. Sorry... can't take you... show your title. Because they don't have a title, they don't go anywhere.

The PvP community doesn't want to take the time to teach new players how to, unless they join their guild. I had experienced that first hand awhile back. Once I found someone to help me learn the ins and outs of PvP, I got a chance to actually be a part of. It was a painful process. PvP wasn't one of those things that you could just "get into". If that was your experience, then you had a very odd one. The general consensus in my social circle is that PvP people are a lot less likely teach new people, which makes it harder for PvE people to migrate over to PvP. I don't consider RA organized PvP, which is one of the areas that title or rank doesn't matter.

The Blade From Hell · Mar 17, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

Start with RA get glad 2, go to TA learn 2 play. Move on to HA im sure groups take glad 3s if they advertise for rank 3-5. You can get into it, you have to be willing to try though.